We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. Thanks for that. Thank you. 5 years ago. Nightmare All Dreams 24. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. #5. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. Stops at 4. 2. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Fight takes place in current DC universe. no. Fighting place: Dr. ago. Sep 20, 2018. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. As a result, for his experiment, he. He is his total opposite and equal in power. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. To start it up I am going to post some of classic Beyonder?s. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. Follow 21460. Spectre. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . May 26, 2023. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. it would be mostly stalemate. Beyonder, very easily. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. #1 Omega48. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. 1. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. The. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Well, the. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Round 2 : Post Retcon. 1. 11. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. Super Power Score and Level. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. Forum Posts. In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. #3 JohanLiebert123. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. 2. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. But it wont be easy by no means. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. Follow 379. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is. R. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. He went so far as to take on the Oans in the Green Lantern corps. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Created to be the ultimate thing ever, the Beyonder fulfilled his objective too well. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). 5 years. 6 years ago. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. I think he wins this. Well technically Dr. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. 2. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. 8 C. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. Quantu. Follow 3300. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. 7: Old Lord Thanos. 2. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. 1. Nov 6, 2017. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Also, you should prove that Dormammu and Eternity can not just destroy but ONESHOT multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. The level is set when. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. So I might be missing something. Ima go with byonder. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Beyonder 73%. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. cweaver • 7 yr. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. Orphic Zeus. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Originally posted by galan7777777. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. HeartLesS 25 d . Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. . 8 years ago. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. -One. 7. She/Her. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. pre-retcon Beyonder. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. The Beyonders call the. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by the HotU. #28 ovy7. . @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Gen. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Battle. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. 10 years ago. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. Sorry. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. #11. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. 14 years ago. 9: Dr. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. so that places a limit on his power. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them. there are tons of ways to argue. Prepare for. Baby Beyonder. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. . Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Even The. Thought Robot without any effort. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Beyonder is hurt. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 5. The time lords are at their best. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Nov 6, 2017. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. no that was post-retcon Beyonder, and I think she actually had borrowed some of his power and then returned it to him. who’s full power. Multi-Death 28. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. #1. ago. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. cweaver • 7 yr. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Appears male, in reality has no actual gender Classification: Cosmic being Age: Unknown (possibly older than the universe) Powers and Abilities: Massive multiversal-scale reality warping, shapeshifting, telepathy, soul manipulation, near-omniscience, immortality (type 5), immune to practically every. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. Jim Shooter who was the. g. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. Also no Heart Of The Universe). canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. . ProfessorRespect. “Luffy is MFTL and Large Planet level” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Business, Economics, and Finance. 2. Now in terms of power levels, oh yeah, he ridiculously outscales any of themAnd the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. #14. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. ago. He should win against Lucifer. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Vs. • 1 year ago. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. trolls can call other people trolls. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. #17. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. 8. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. There are levels of overpowered. 0. Far from Beyonder levels. show 3 replies . He is the embodiment of the Beyond-realm which is in fact, another multiverse. Enter, the retcon. Numidium 2. Been done here on the vine. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. #18 Edited By Kingant27. 11. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. VS. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Wich when stoped, created SCP-999. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. "Now now thats not true. 9. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is capable of granting any wishes,. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. Even The. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Akasha only has 6d universes on itself, that's not omnipotence. RRPanther • 7 mo. it would be mostly stalemate.